We are back on Scales & Ales where we cover music, business, and beer! On this episode we are recording from the SnugStudio at the Marshall Brewing Taproom, and we’re joined today by the brewmaster himself Mr. Eric Marshall and we are sitting down with Mitch LaPoint, the National Scout for the Dallas Cowboys, he’s done Scouting for the Kansas City Chiefs, what is going on? CHEERS!!

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OUTLINE

1. As a national scout at the professional level, what’s the hardest thing about recruiting players? You might have the hardest job on the planet predicting the success of professional athletes.
2. What are your responsibilities, are you just looking ahead to the draft, or are you involved in the free agency hype and evaluation right now too?
3. What are the different categories of evaluation for an NFL scout? You got college tape, the combine, and then actually meeting them and seeing them play in person? How do all of these factor in?
4. So Mitch, I know our listeners are going to hope you spill all of Dallas’ secrets, but how was the combine? Did you go?
   1. Combine
      1. 40-Yard Dash
      2. Bench Press
      3. Vertical Jump
      4. Broad Jump
      5. 3-Cone Drill
      6. 20-Yard Shuttle
      7. 60-Yard Shuttle
   2. 2019 Combine
      1. http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2019&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=QB-RB-WR-TE-S-EDGE-DL-LB-CB-OL-SPEC
   3. Did you hear any unorthodox evaluations or ridiculous  questions asked at the combine?
5. Are all of the scouts at the combine and traveling all trying to evaluate the same thing?
6. How do you prepare for the Draft? Is draft day pretty stressful?
7. Have you ever successfully called that a player, who everyone else seemed to be disregarding, would be great? What did you see that others weren’t?
8. Is scouting more art or science?
   1. Baseball -162 Games
   2. Football – 16 Games
9. If you could provide every rookie with one skill, mental or physical, what would it be?
10. What is the current focus of sports psychology in the NFL? Where do you see that direction heading?
    1. Soul & Science John Brenkus
    2. https://www.soulandscience.com
11. When scouting, what body language do you look for?
12. How has the professional player evolved in the last 30 years?
13. How has scouting changed? What were things that were never evaluated and now are a big deal and vice versa?
14. In horse racing, buyers found that larger heart ventricles correlated with horses winning. Are there any weird correlations like that in scouting?
15. Do you have any greatest scouting failures?
16. What are the difference in player qualities from the major football talent regions in the US?
17. How have analytics have shaped/changed the NFL and prospect evaluation?
18. What mental qualities football players from other pro athletes?
19. What would you tell young athletes who aspire to be pros?
20. How many pro football players have business aspirations?
21. What do most NFL players do after retirement?
22. Cleveland Browns – 2018 – 7-8-1 – Hue Jackson, Gregg Williams
    1. Baker Mayfield
23. Dallas Cowboys – 2018 – 10-6 Lost to Rams
24. 2018 NFL Regular Season
    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NFL_season#Regular_season

TRANSCRIPT

Marshall Morris: On this episode of Scales and Ales. We sit down with Mitch LaPoint, the National Scout of the Dallas Cowboys. We talk the NFL draft, the Dallas Cowboys, what it takes to be an incredible player, and all things football. Here we go.

Marshall Morris: We are back on Scales and Ales where we cover music, business and beer. And on this episode we are recording from SnugStudio at the Marshall Brewing Taproom. We’re joined today by the brew master himself, Mr. Eric Marshall. Oh, that’s nice. Every time we have you and we are sitting down with Mitch LaPoint, the National Scout for the Dallas Cowboys and he’s done scouting in Dallas in Kansas City. What is going on? Mr Mitch LaPoint. How are you doing?

Mitch LaPoint: Hey, how are you guys?

Marshall Morris: Well, let’s see here. Let’s start with the cheers. Let’s say, can we, can we all start with the cheers here?

Mitch LaPoint: Yep.

Marshall Morris: Nice, Nice. Cheers. This is the official part of Scales and Ales, now as a national scout for at the professional level it seems like that might be one of the hard-, like one of the hardest jobs in the world is scouting players and then who’s going to do well at the professional level. It might be the hardest job in the world. It is.

Mitch LaPoint: It’s a crapshoot. You just try to like get as much background, watch as much film. Just try to eliminate like all like the risk, but it’s still, you don’t know how a young kid, 22 year old kid is going to adapt to your program. How he’s going to take the coaching. I like how it’s all going to play out. I mean it’s, it is. It’s a complete, that’s why there’s first round busts all the time in the NFL

Eric Marshall: Or react to the fact that now you’ve got a shit load of money.

Mitch LaPoint: How would we react when we were 20 years old and then we get $5 million

Marshall Morris: Right in, in, in what? What would you say? Because you see it all the time. What is the biggest jump from the NCAA to the professional level? What is that jump?

Mitch LaPoint: Well, I mean obviously the speed of the game, really just the playbook that just the volume, especially on our offensive side of the volume is unbelievable. I mean these kids nowadays come from these spread offenses. The balers, even in the Tulsa is where everything is communicated from the sideline. There’s really no verbiage, there’s no plays. Everything is just hand signaled and you come NFL, I mean our head coaches, a Princeton guy, I mean it looks like a fricking dictionary and all of a sudden these kids got to think on the move, like in an instant and be able to react so, so it’s not just like the play on the field,

Marshall Morris: Just everything is fast.

Mitch LaPoint: Exactly right. Everything’s faster and just the volume of the, the speed of the installation of these plays. But I would say also they’re not bay and these major programs now these kids are babies. It’s unbelievable. I mean their hands held to get to class, their hands held every step of the way, and now all of a sudden they come to the league, they got money, and then we’re not, I mean, we don’t have the resources to like stay on top of them. I mean, we will do that for a certain few players we’ve done in the past with Pac man Jones and the Randy Gregory’s. We’ll have helpers with those kind of, but normally, I mean, they’re on their own. You’re a man now. Right.

Marshall Morris: And for you in your role, you, you’ve, uh, been a scout in a number of different regions. Yeah. Okay. Now you’re the national scout for the Dallas cowboys. That’s a pretty awesome title. I mean,

Mitch LaPoint: Like I started off as an intern with the chiefs, worked my way as a scouting assistant. I was a Midwest scout and Kansas City, well, one of the scouts in Kansas City when I was a young young guy who was Jeff Ireland now. And Jeff was the general manager of the Miami Dolphins. Um, he brought me to Dallas, but Jeff’s now the assistant GM at the saints, but he’s the one who got me to Dallas. And uh, yeah, it was, it’s crazy. Sometimes you’re like, okay, we’re like the number one franchise and all of sports. I mean, the value of that and like, I mean, I’m a few steps away from being, you know, my ultimate goal is like riding in a personnel department, you know. Cool. It’s been crazy.

Marshall Morris: So, so that is, that’s part of the path, right? You started as an intern and you’ve just continued to work your way up into new roles and do that. But ultimately you want to be with the personnel. Yeah.

Mitch LaPoint: I mean the college is really what I’ve been, there’s kind of a most teams, there’s a pro department, so that great. All like the free agents that NFL teams, so each scout has a responsibility. So we grade all like the potential. Ufa is the unrestricted free agents. They’re restricted for agents, all their practice squad guys that we might want to poach. So we have a pro department and then there’s our college department. And then, so I’ve always been on the college side. Cool. But um, it says a director, you’re kind of in charge of both. Right. But I’ve, I mean I’ve always been on the college side,

Eric Marshall: But at the same time, like your evaluations of, of players as college, I mean they’ll, they’ll take some of that into obviously with free agency and you may, you may be looking at a guy that came in as an unrestricted free agent or something like that and worked his way up and played pretty decently and kind of maybe matured a little later than some of the others that you may be able to go back and say, yeah, you know, I, I wrote this evaluation of this guy from Troy that

Mitch LaPoint: we’ll get phone calls, I’ll get phone calls from our pro scouts all the time. Like you said, hey, we’re thinking about bringing this guy and you grade and what do you thinking? And Hey, I just gave him a quick one liner and then they can see all of them, like my character, everything that I’ve gathered on the player. Just to help with that.

Marshall Morris: Because you’re working within a much larger scheme of things, you know to make sure that you have the right personnel and the depth chart and you know who’s coming up, who’s going to be coming up in a couple of years in signing contracts and doing the whole, the whole nine yards. And so with your working on the college side, what are those responsibilities? Are you going out to pro days? Are you going out, are you traveling a lot or are you bringing people in to workout? Wait, what does that look like

Mitch LaPoint: at this point where what combines over this month is all pro days. Yup. And so we’re going to have our whole crew, like our, our area scouts probably have 10 to 15 pro days. The national guys will fill in where the air, you guys can’t make it, but we’re, we’re just getting our hands on these. The one thing that’s unique about the NFL compared to like a say NBA baseball, we don’t, there’s not like these Aau leagues like you know in basketball, they know these kids when they’re 15 years old. We don’t, we have like a short six month period to get to know everything about these guys and then they can invest in it. So we got to, we try to get out there and meet the kids, get our hands on them, work them out, put them through drills to test them. We have, we have few different psychological tests that will administer these kids and just try to get to know the players and our coaches will go work out.

Mitch LaPoint: We’ll probably go to a hundred see a hundred guys are coaches, will go spend time with the kids, go put them in the go in a film room with them, go work them out and just really just try to get to know as what we’re bringing.

Marshall Morris: Has it been impressive? You see some of these college guys for the first time and they’re ready to make the jump to you know, to the NFL and from what I’ve seen just on the basketball, I grew up playing basketball, the jump between high school and then what some of these division one programs can do to a talented, well built a athlete. And then what an NFL team can then turn a college athlete and do it. Do you see that? Like you’re like, oh my gosh, the frame on that guy, we’re going to just make him a, yeah, you do see that.

Mitch LaPoint: But it’s also like if you’re at Alabama for five years and the guy, hey, he’s really a weakness is play strength. Are we really as he really going to like coming to us and be like a different animal? You know what I mean? Okay. I think more of the smaller school, the more of the the tear down programs, you can say, okay, we’re really going to make the sky a lot different. But I think the power five guys, if they’re, especially if they’re seniors, there’s not a whole, I mean I think kind of what you see is what you get I think a little bit. Yeah.

Marshall Morris: Okay. And so the different categories of evaluation, what’s that process like? Does he said the combine, you got pro days, you got so college tape, you know August. So they basically will break training camp.

Mitch LaPoint: We’ve got to training camp and we’ll grade our own team, just kind of get ready to, okay, here’s what our team is. So you kind of have something to compare to. And then in August we’re at two days every day. I mean like I’m gone my rotations about 11 days on the road, three or four days home, 11 on the road with that whole cycle all the way until Thanksgiving essentially. So I’m home every other weekend and every other weekend I’m at a game. So in August we’re just going to, we’re going to plow through these two days. These are the first, these coaches are pretty much more laid back at these schools. So you can get a lot of your background worked on, you’re talking to everybody at the school, you’re talking to the coaches, strength coach, trainer, academic, I mean just support staff, just trying to find out everything you can about these kids. So then during the fall, I mean you’re grading practice, tet, you’re going to practice your grade in the film and we’re submitting reports like every night. And then the next phase would be the all star games. So the All Star Games eastwest the senior bowl, the Nfl Pa, there’s a college grid iron. A Dallas is kind of a lower tier game, but that’s the first time you can really sit down and interact these guys.

Marshall Morris: In between each one of those junctures. Yeah. Do you find often that maybe it’s not a consistent performance out of the player or do you find that, you know, most people are or is it just depending on the player? I think that’s why I think it depends on, so that’s part of the, that’s part of the filtering process for you doubt. What are some of the things that would be like that you do that you find that where you’re like, oh my gosh, I saw that him do that in a practice. Like that’s like I don’t have any interest.

Mitch LaPoint: A lot of, well a lot of guys like back of the line, the laziness that competes. I think a lot of, especially on our defense with coach Marinelli, it’s like we call going what’s on under the hood and what we want. Guys that love it. I love to practice when we’re a very physical practice team in Dallas, like a lot of veteran guys, when they come to our place, they don’t even, they, they are like, holy moly. I mean we hit, we bang. And it’s a unique thing this day and age, so it takes the right kind of guy to come on our defense. So I think the effort, the motor or the toughness for us is a big thing. Sure. Yeah.

Marshall Morris: And so you’ve been doing this for seven years in Kansas City? Yeah. You’ve been doing it for 14 years in Dallas, so 20 years you’ve probably seen this, the scouting landscape and the process change a lot. What’s different now about the entire process?

Mitch LaPoint: It was young. It’s a younger man’s game than it was when I first started. And then technology, it’s so much better for us. But when you first started, I mean you’re watching VHS tapes, most scouting staffs were probably in their fifties and sixties and I think now it’s probably more in the 30s and forties yeah. And I think it just got just become younger and I think you see a lot more analytics involved, which is something that’s been thrown in the league the last probably five years, which I think a lot of the old school mentality people have a hard time dealing with, you know, just wrapped their arms around it because it just said new, new way of doing things.

Eric Marshall: When I was reading an article the other day that talked about how, how, you know sort of this moneyball tactic doesn’t really, it doesn’t apply as well to football because in football, unlike baseball or basketball and some of these where you have a lot of individual statistics that come to play, you have 11 you’ve got 11 guys that have to work as one unit to make things right forward agree with. So. So you know, while there’s some things and analytically that you want to evaluate that you want to make sense to help to kind of maybe determine the makeup of the player or what’s under the hood. It’s how does this play or fit within our system? How mentally, how was he going to get a handle? All of this stuff, you know what, what kind of person is he? That all comes in, it’s almost like, it’s almost like you spend it, it’s almost like you kind of have to be a little bit of a, of a, of a psychologist.

Mitch LaPoint: No, you gotta like you ever read people, I mean, all I do every day is talk to people and I got to develop these and kind of rely on what they’re telling me. So I think I’ve been going to the southeast schools now for like 12 years, so I know people in those buildings. But if you’re a new guy and we’re going to, hey, you’re going to, I’m going to Boston College, I’ve never been a bus to college. Do you think that they’re just going to say, hey, this guys are the cowboys. Hey, let me tell this. This is just, it takes time. You got to build those relationships

Eric Marshall: I’ve got to think too, that there’s, there’s this level of um, you know, yeah, you build the relationships you’ve got and you know, full disclosure, Mitch is my neighbor, so that’s fair. So, um, so I, uh, I pick his brain all the time on this problem probably probably drives him crazy, but, but at the same time, like you develop these relationships and those things are so important, but I gotta think it’s gotta be a two way street too because you’ve got a, you’re relying on them for information and it behooves them to give you good information because there’s so much turnover in, in business that like what, what good does it do them to give you false?

Mitch LaPoint: And they can put it on their resume that they got a guy in the NFL, it’s going to help them. You know what I mean by that? You’re right though. Once you get, once I’ve gotten burned by guys like that, like I just, I don’t even listen to anymore. I just block it out.

Eric Marshall: I guess that factor of help them in recruiting know the biggest thing and, and, and you know, especially nowadays that you, you look at all the recruiting and everything, and maybe this is something you don’t want to comment on but, but you look at the recruiting and it’s become so much about like how I look and my Twitter feed and stuff like that, that it’s like, oh yeah, I’m going to play with this coach who, you know, who had a Kyler Murray last year, you know, play

Mitch LaPoint: I won’t say what team, but I know that there’s teams in major conferences that they get bonuses by how if they just get so many five star, four star and that they’re, they’re not evaluating, they’re just going to get perceived good players. And the main thing is like, I mean, I’m a K-, I went to KU, like Mangino, when they were there. I mean they went and got the B and C players in Texas and Oklahoma, but they were good players because they graded them, they evaluated him, they knew what fit their system. And that’s, I think that’s in college football. That’s missed a lot in,

Marshall Morris: So we just had, we just had the combine. Okay. What can you share with us from the combine? Because I think that’s in the media ton. Everybody wants to see how it performs. When did we see it having any surprises in the combine to do,

Mitch LaPoint: I don’t think it’s surprises. I think for us it’s like you still got 90-95% is the film. I mean that’s the resume and then okay, you verify the film with the measurables. I think when a got run slower, I mean it can hurt a little bit, but I mean still you got to watch the guy play the game. It’s Underwear Olympics, that’s what we call it. I think the main thing is all the interviews like we get, that’s our first time. Like our position coaches, our coordinators, our head coach can sit down with these kids and you don’t see that in the media a whole lot. Like whoa, Whoa, whoa. Like we’re pretty much we’ll bring a kid in, will teach them a play and then we’ll go to his college film and we’ll just talk through it. So O lineman. Okay, what front are they in? In defense, Hey, what’s your calls? What are you doing? And just kind of talk through him, see what he knows. Then we’ll kind of go back to what we taught him and then see if he can recall that kind of stuff. I mean it’s 15 minutes and then the head coach, Jason will ask him a couple of questions, but I mean 15 minutes you’re going to really make or break. I can draft pick up 15 minute interview. I mean it just an initial, well it’s on those guys will be like Adrian Peterson. Like like, okay, like he’s very basic. I mean like or well some of that stuff will show up.

Eric Marshall: Yeah. I’m pretty sure that’s the only guy I’ve seen. The probably could have gone from high school. Yeah.

Marshall Morris: But during Darwin James, Jadeveon Clowney, Adrian Peterson. I mean those guys were ready to play.

Eric Marshall: But, but also at the combine too, I mean this is maybe the first opportunity that you’ve had to really look at some of these underclassmen that have come out because, because I’m sure when you go to some of these schools, you know, they don’t want you tampering with their, their tampering may not be the right word, but they don’t want you, you know,

Mitch LaPoint: It used to be such a hush hush thing. Like, okay, the year I was having in Florida and they had no seniors on offense, but Percy Harvin was a junior and if you’re over practice and you’re over there watching it and warm it, individual and scouts were standing over there and the coach was getting that. I mean like the Percy Harvin where everyone knew he was coming out. I would say the last five years, that’s completely changed. Now you go to the major schools, they treat a lot of those juniors like seniors. But you’re right, it’s still a lot of these guys. We have no idea. There’s surprises and every year the junior numbers increased. This year is 133 juniors. That’s, that’s three rounds in the draft. So this is just the seniors. If you don’t, it’s almost like if you don’t come out early and you’re a senior, like you’re in a perceived, not like a good player. Yeah. You know, it’s crazy.

Marshall Morris: So you made a, you made a comment the Underwear Olympics because a lot of what’s being evaluated as never seen by the mass media, the mass public. Right. You know, it’s a, it’s more of an individual relationship between the coaches and the players and it’s a way to look under the hood. Um, are, are there any hilarious things that maybe happened at the, this combine or pass combines any stories that you can share of like, oh my gosh, like this player like was wearing something ridiculous or anything, anything that maybe unorthodox that maybe people don’t always get to see?

Mitch LaPoint: I mean, I think the NFL is, I mean the combine is so like regimented now, like they’re, there really can’t be any surprises. I was, when I first started in Dallas, I was a group leader for the combine. So like I was basically, so let’s say it was receivers and quarterbacks, but I had to like babysit those guys through the whole time they in Indianapolis. But I mean I had some beauties, but uh, the one was a quarterback, uh, from the west coast who went in the first round. And I mean he, you talked about not wanting to be there. He went to the airport like three times by himself without saying anything. We had to go like chase him down. I mean it’s some of these guys just way they were hand, they can handle things where as embarrassing. But as far as like working out like it’s, so I think it’s so structured like there’s really, I think the only funny thing, not funny thing, but that poor kid from Mississippi State when his, uh, his shorts pants fell off or whatever. I mean,

Eric Marshall: I think you sent me a text and I was like, dude, you need to watch this. And I thought it was a joke. And then, then they won’t know running is 40 pounds by now.

Mitch LaPoint: But the combine now, it’s like, okay, there’s guys that are going to run a lot faster than what you see. And there’s guys that runs slower than what you see. And it’s like after the season’s over, these guys go to these places in Florida, Arizona, California, and they work with these special coat, you know the specialists. Yeah. So did I teach them how to run? I mean it’s all about the start and all about it. They’re like a track coach. It’s nothing to do with football

Marshall Morris: And you said that so much of it is the mentality and really their, their coachability. How quickly can they learn? You know, I can, they learn new plays, new formations in, I think what Eric you were talking about because it baseball, we saw the Moneyball phenomenon going on, in a football, you have, you know, 16 games. Yeah. You don’t have, you know, 160 games to figure it out and a basketball the same way everybody’s, you know, Nate silver’s tried to predict a formula for calculating who’s gonna win March Madness for, for years.

Marshall Morris: And you know, it’s still, there’s so much of an X-Factor. Do you find it, you said that you read people, he talked to people. What, what type of intangibles do you see are indicators for that X factor for who might be successful?

Mitch LaPoint: I mean, it’s just, we things like love, love and the process more than anything. Like the guy who loves to workout, the guy who loves to practice the guys competitive, the guys that you have to rev up the practice and work. I mean, it is, it’s never going to, I mean, it’s going to be hard for them to make it the guy who wants to be the best. And it’s, uh, and I think like the guys who fail are the guys that don’t love it. And the guys that have hard time learning it, those, I mean the mental, the guys who can’t learn and who are stressed, that’s a struggle.

Marshall Morris: I mean, it really is because it just never, I can never play to the speed that they need to.

Marshall Morris: So, so at this point, would you say that, uh, scouting is more of an art, or maybe is it a science or is it both?

Mitch LaPoint: I think it’s both, but I think everyone has, I mean, every one of our guys has like their biases, you know, like, like some people, if you’re not a tough guy, like, you know, hey, I, and I, I’m kinda like the eye, especially on defense. Like I love, I want guys that are physical and if you guys are turning down hits and all that, like it just rubs me the wrong way. But then there’s also, I mean, athletes like people who like just this, I mean NFL now it’s a passing league 60 70% of the time where a nickel on defense. I mean, you have to be able to play in space. So I think that that’s what’s changed a lot about the game when I first started. Slower players, physical players. And it’s changed now to more finesse, more athletic players.

Eric Marshall: Hmm. The Al Davis, if you run, run really fast, all the sudden go from seven, 10, 12.

Mitch LaPoint: But look at the Big 12. I mean it the, it’s basketball and grass for the most part, right? I mean that’s what it’s turned into.

Marshall Morris: With your history and being a scout. Um, are there any players that come to mind that maybe he saw a lot of the scouts from, maybe other teams disregarding, but you really liked in maybe you took a chance on it and maybe paid off or maybe you’re like, ah, I missed on that. You know, for sure if there’s any that you can share, any of that you can share that you’re thinking like any cases like that where it’s like you saw something and maybe you had that, that savant moment where you’re like, this is my first guy. Like I

Mitch LaPoint: The first guy that comes to mind is Benny Sapp now. He was a corner, a played at northern Iowa. He got kicked out of Iowa. He had some issues, um, pro day. Like he was, a lot of people weren’t really on him. I, he ran really well and he was athletic and uh, but we got them for like $2000 in Kansas City and he has a, I think it played in at nine to 10 years in the NFL, that was one I was just like, I really felt like proud of like, man, I really put my, you know, and the, and the guy that I’ve gotten burned like a guy, um, recently, pretty recently at Georgia Tech, you know, they run that crazy option, um, that full, they had a full back that ran for like 1600 yards but, and I are really excited to get him and it just didn’t work, you know, like other guys less than for me, like the system, it’s just such a different thing. Then you play that full back in the option, just the way you run and playing an NFL running back. It didn’t, it was, it didn’t work out and I was kind of mad at myself like, you know, why didn’t I see that? But that’s just part of learning, you know, and it just, you just put it in your Rolodex and you know, the next time, like, just try not to make the same mistake, but I mean everyone, I mean in NFL, everyone makes mistakes drafting. Look at every team. You could go through every drafts and then make that this guy didn’t make it.

Eric Marshall: How many sure. Fire, this guy’s going to be a Hall of Famer have just failed.

Mitch LaPoint: I think we’re all like, you know, try to get the doubles and the triples and, and you know, I guess here’s Manziel or Zach Martin. I mean, yeah, yeah. Like, look at that. We had a guys in the Pro Bowl and the, he’s all pro five years in a row and yeah, the other guy, it’s just take the safe guy, man.

Eric Marshall: Peyton, Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf.

Mitch LaPoint: Yeah, I mean, exactly.

Marshall Morris: Now, obviously you’re going to have a whole lot more information in a whole lot more data to support this as to why maybe this is a different scenario than Manziel, but I am a huge Cleveland Browns fan. Yeah. Okay. And so it warmed my heart when we drafted Baker Mayfield and to see him come into an organization and work his way into the starting, uh, starting position, I think that was incredible. Um, and a lot of people would have said that he had a little bit of that, that, that zing or that X Factor or even a little bit of attitude. But that’s also why people liked him. I think, uh, some might say, you know, when, when Manziel was looking to make the jump into the NFL, you know, rewind to that point, it would have had that same thing. Is there something that you see from a player’s standpoint, you know, that like enough of that kind of like, that swag is good or, or maybe but not good?

Mitch LaPoint: Well, if they know, I think with Baker definitely is good. Like you said, like he’s a guy that you love that on your team and if he’s not on your team and you’re probably like this, you know this guy, I mean I think he had some issues with KU I think on both games like two years in a row. I’m at TCU. He like plunked the guy in the head. I mean he’s got like, he like he’s playing mind games with people. But you love, I mean like the, you talked to him like you love the guy. Like every one of our coaches that talked to him like we wanted this guy, you know, like he just has the “it” factor, you know, like we call like the nervous, right. Nervous system or whatever it is, like he has it.

Eric Marshall: You know, anybody who goes from being a walk on to a true freshman starter to a Heisman trophy winner. You got something. No, no, you’re right. Like whether you’re drafting that guy is a third round quarterback that will eventually become a coach.

Marshall Morris: Compared to the other guy for me. I mean he loves, he loves it, you know what I mean? And like, he just oozes like passion juice, like moxie, whatever it is. He is unique.

Eric Marshall: Got some shit in his neck. That’s one of my favorite terms.

Marshall Morris: And that was so hard for me because, you know, I, I was raised a Browns fan and an Ohio state fan, so when he came and planted the flag in the middle of Buckeye stadium, that was just the worst thing. But then he gets drafted by the Browns and I’m like, oh no, I gotta like I gotta start to learn to love him, you know. And he came out and he performed exceptionally well, you know, you know, first, first year in the, in the, in the league,

Mitch LaPoint: Freddy Kitchens as he was on our staff with Parcells, is our tight end coach. He’s great. He’ll be great for Baker and he’ll do it. They’ll do a good job. Dorsey that they’re, they’re going to do a really good job. Yeah. Yeah.

Marshall Morris: Well, um, with, with preparing for the draft, okay. At what point do you start shifting the focus towards that? Um, how involved, you know, are you part of that process in, in the free agents? Well, what, what is the next maybe two months?

Mitch LaPoint: Well, I still have pro days to go to April. I’ll be in Dallas pretty much April. Yeah. That’s why we live here. We’ve got family and friends here. But uh, we’ll bring in, so we’re like, okay, the NFL has a rule with a, you’re allowed to bring in 30 prospects onto your site so they can spend essentially a day with you. So we’ll do that process the first week of April and we’ll bring in the guys that we really kind of want a lot of it’s mental. Like, hey guys, we want to spend a lot of time with, and like they’ll sit with our coaches all day, they’ll watch tape, they’ll teach them things and just find out about these guys that way. And then, uh, we’ll have a local workout. So the NFL also has a rule. If you’re from the metro area of, or one of these towns, we can bring you in and work you out. So we’ll have to Dallas Day, which compared to Kansas City and Dallas, you’re talking about 10 players to a hundred. I mean we could have in Dallas a million players, so we’ll go through that, but we’ll start a draft meetings all April. We’ll go through a position a day. Um, and then, uh, we’ll build our free agent board, like guys that we really want to attack and free agency. Um, we’ll split it up with a buy position. So I’ll work with like our secondary coach and we’ll go tech. Hey, like we need a corner when you safety, we’ll make phone calls, I’ll, I’ll work the agents and he’ll work the players and just start recruiting these guys before the draft. And then once the six round comes, we’ll start calling these guys and start making deals. And that’s another thing, like we’re going to Dallas. It’s an easy sell. I mean, people want to come to Dallas and then it just compared to when I, you and I was in Kansas City, arrowhead or you know, or the Dallas, I mean, Dallas is like, players want to come there. You know,

Eric Marshall: You talked about the tree of the rule of, of bringing 30 players in. I mean, obviously you’re the front end, you’ve got your big names and there’s probably a handful of guys that you’re like, okay, this is a realistic shot that we have. Or you know, maybe in the back of your mind that, hey, we could potentially package this and move up. So these, these are guys that we really want to target. But what’s the, what’s sort of the mix? I mean you’ve got to be bringing in guys in later rounds that you’re like, hey, fourth and fifth round. Like we’re going to use a pick on this guy. We really got to understand like this is a guy that we see for death.

Mitch LaPoint: No, I think one thing when we talked about the combine that’s overlooked maybe from the meat from the outside is the medical, it’s huge. We spent, I think we spent, each team spends about $100,000 for the medicals. I mean, so you’re talking about $3 million. So we that those physicals are huge. So the non-com mine guys that we’d like, usually five to 10 of those spots of our 30 will be guys that we have draftable grades on that we need our get our training staff and our medical staff, their hands on them because they didn’t get the invite to the combine. And then that’s a whole nother thing that’s crazy. Like people maybe don’t realize, but we will, there’s players we really, really like and it’s just like look like he’s had three knee issues. If he had a hertz it again, there’s nothing we can do to help him. We can’t take it. We’ll just take them up into two seconds next. You know, and it just, it is what it is

Eric Marshall: And things like that. Make things like those all star games important because you’re, you’re taking guys that are from, you know, small schools or whatever and they’re throwing in and being competing against some of these, you know, mid to upper level tier guys at bigger programs that you see how they, how they play against better competition, but also how well they’re coached and stuff.

Mitch LaPoint: One guy that that fell or we took off and then we ended up bringing him in as a free agent was Ronald Leary and Ronald had had knee problems in Memphis. I was the area scout. I mean he is powerful guys from Baton Rouge. I mean he’s just a beast to me. And when he’d get locks onto, yeah, I mean it was over, but he had a knee problem and we’re like, you know, we had third and fourth round grades. He just, we went to free agency. Jerry’s like, you know what, let’s just take a shot on him. I mean, he’s still playing. I think it’s probably eight, nine years. But that’s, that’s not every guy, but it worked out. He was starting for you guys like just a couple of years ago. It wasn’t, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marshall Morris: That’s one of those, that’s one of those gambles like, and that’s where the art comes into it is how well do we think that we will, regardless of what the paper says, you know what, what the grade say what the physical says. I know that he’s going to produce for us,

Mitch LaPoint: Well our owner’s, the oil man now. And he’s not afraid to take chances to say too, it’s just we just got to take chances at the right time. But I mean for him, like if he can say, hey, we’re getting a second or third round talent for, we’re just paying the guy signing bonus. It’s a no brainer. I mean, if it doesn’t work out, yeah, nope, it’s fine. So talk about that a little bit. What’s it like to play for, you know, the most widely known NFL team? One of the biggest organizations, you know, in the country, in the world, that great. It’s been great. And I think the real, like Jerry and Steven and the Jones family like Jr and Charlotte, I mean, they’re amazing. I mean, they’re like great people are down to earth. We laugh, we joke, we have fun. Um, they’re very smart. I mean, now like if there’s something that’s said in the draft meeting, I mean, two or three years later they’re going to remember what you said. I mean there, they made their money, you know, and they’re not, they’re very smart people. Um, but we’re a unique place. Everyone has a voice. I mean, which is great. I mean, I could sit there until the day of the draft and have a chance to express my opinions, which is very unique. I think that’s one thing about organization. That’s great if you work for us, I mean, it’s a blessing and a curse, but you better be, you better be on your stuff because you’re going to have a chance to speak your mind. You know, you.

Marshall Morris: You’d better prepare because you’re going to be called on. Yeah. Use that or have something smart to say.

Mitch LaPoint: Exactly right. Yeah, exactly right. But I mean, there’s teams, you hear that. I mean, there’s a, there’s a group like us, I mean that, hey, they make all the decisions, hey, we’ll call you if we need you type of deal. You know, and we’re very fortunate that we have a chance to speak our mind. Yeah.

Marshall Morris: You know, I’ve started this rumor, you know, around Tulsa that, uh, Marshall Brewing Company is kind of like the Dallas Cowboys of Tulsa craft beer.

Mitch LaPoint: Yes, it definitely is.

Marshall Morris: That’s what I’ve been saying. But how, how long have you guys known each other and can you share with us any, any awesome stories about Eric, the brewmaster here, you know,

Mitch LaPoint: Well, Eric, well, we moved to Tulsa in 2013 and within, like we figured out our neighbor across the street, my wife had like a common friend. So like that first weekend we went over there to have some drinks, whatever. And Eric and Mandy came over and, and Eric and I were like, okay, you have a brewery [inaudible]

Eric Marshall: Immediate bromance.

Marshall Morris: And so and so, so you can come, you know, drink at the brewery and you’d supply him with all the fantasy stats that he needs to. Exactly. Right. So it’s a, it’s a good relationship.

Mitch LaPoint: Like two nights ago we had our fourth annual, uh, Tulsa pro day, like a party. So we had about 13 NFL teams here, about probably 13, 10, 15. TU staff. And just hang out. And I was on me so, so, so it’s a fun deal.

Eric Marshall: I mean Mitch, Mitch knows all of that stuff. I got, I got real into, so I played ball in high school and blew out my knee and played my senior year because I was being recruited, but just decided about three weeks into my senior year as a, I got a minor at another minor injury and I was like, you know what, I’m, we’ll play the rest of this year. I’m going to walk the rest of my life. So yeah. Uh, but, but I played against some guys that went on to be freshman, all American at, Oh, you played against Jeremy Shockey. I played against some of these people that, you know, later on in college I start really following the draft process because these guys are, are going through the problem that you’re talking to first, second round guys. And uh, it just became really interesting to me. And so I’ve always followed that. And I love the offseason aspect of, I mean, I love the game, I love watching it, but I love the, the offseason stuff. So I love the draft. I love the free agency and uh, just always followed it hardcore. And then so when he moved in and we got the first beer, we’re talking and it was like, holy shit, like I’ve got, um, I got a man crush on you man. And his wife laugh about that. Yeah. So, so it’s a, it’s a lot of fun and, and uh, you know, I mean I, I enjoy like we text, like he’s always like texts me during the draft, man. We just sit there waiting.

Mitch LaPoint: What do we think of a, the Lsu receivers back together for you guys? Uh, well, uh, we’re pretty, uh, pretty excited. They, they, uh, I think Baker and a Odell Beckham Jr, I think. I think that’s going to be such a fun combo, In looking at the stats of the completion percentages in, uh, New York versus completion percentages that Baker was representing. I think he’s just going to be a, just a gigantic target is going to be like, I can, I can go catch the ball now. I can go, I can go get it. So I think that, I think that’s going to be fun. They’re going to, you know, for the first time in however many years, you know, the Browns are favored to, you know, make the playoffs. I’m so excited.

Eric Marshall: I mean Odell’s now playing with a guy that’s got that fire and got that passion, not to say that Eli never had that, but right now he’s getting older and right. And I, you know, it’s hard to tell what that guy with body language,

Marshall Morris: Statistics are not everything, but I think it’s going to be, you know,

Mitch LaPoint: He is very level, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Tell me Flaco I mean like with the Baltimore, I have Lamar, the bangles are kind of redoing it, like building that up. I mean Steelers, I mean that’s a good year for the Browns.

Marshall Morris: This is, this is the year for, for the Browns. And, uh, I think, uh, I think, you know, what Dorsey has done is know, been great, you know, the past couple of years. And yeah, I think, I think Baker is the real deal. I think I’ve seen him check all of the intangibles. Yeah. You know, at the door, once he steps onto the field and he realizes this, the NFL, you know, we, we got to produce, we’ve got to produce results.

Mitch LaPoint: Did you watched Hard Knocks?

Marshall Morris: I watched some of it, uh, the, the hard thing for me about a hard knocks was I knew it was going to be a, to a certain extent, dramatize or shown certain things that the, that they were allowed to show or not show it. And so I didn’t want it to maybe bias my, my interpretation.

Mitch LaPoint: And we’ve done it twice in Dallas and I’ve been there and it’s, yeah, it’s kinda crazy. Every meeting room. I mean, they don’t obviously show all that, but every meeting rooms filmed, I mean, they’re just waiting for something, you know?

Eric Marshall: I want to go back and watch it now after meeting Alonzo Highsmith. So Alonzo Highsmith their vice president for player player player personnel. He was a, he was a former like third overall draft pick played at the youth. There’s a great video of him online. I didn’t send you those. Yeah, it’s a great video. I think it was from the Miami. Oh you national championship where he just there doing the coin toss and he looks buzzword straight in the eyes “I ain’t scared of you bitch.” Damn Dude. That’s pretty a hard shell. He’s been to Marshall Brewing Company and then after his career, which uh, unfortunately it wasn’t as long because of some of the issues he turned into a heavyweight boxer and was like 27-1-2

Marshall Morris: I got a question for you, and maybe this is more of on the personnel side, but maybe you’ll have some, some insight into it is you get some of these players that maybe you’ve been playing with your organization and maybe they’re looking towards retirement or maybe transitioning teams. How do you, how do you handle those types of conversations like beyond football, um, when, when you’re recruiting them only for football, right. In, like are you recruiting them to set them up on a career in, okay, what you’re going to play with us for so many years and then you’re done. But how, how do you ask?

Mitch LaPoint: Well, yeah, but we, I mean, we have a player, most teams have a player development and we have about four people in Dallas and like a former player, Calvin Hill, um, we have, uh, another three people in there, but a lot of the, they just kind of start these kids, these guys off with a lot of the philanthropy stuff off the field. So like, you know, hey, if they’re helping out at a certain foundation or whatever it is, but it’s, as far as the jobs and all that, yeah. It’s kinda, it’s, I don’t know exactly. That’s a good, great question, because you’re right, it’s all of a sudden it’s going to hit him in the face and it’d be like, what, what do I do? You know?

Eric Marshall: Well on the other side of that, I mean, do you have people that that, I mean you look right now your new offensive coordinator was on your roster last year as a quarterback. So I mean you clear that you have people that see something in some of these people and then realize, I mean I think too about the story of uh, of the, the Raider scout that was here the other night that was, they were like, yeah, we think, uh, you know, we think, we feel that you’re kind of in the end your career. We feel like you’ve got something. You may be a good guy in the front office. They put him on the road, he’s home working out. How David sees him was like, can you still run pretty fast? I think you can still play the next weekend. He started that and they pulled him off the road to do it

Mitch LaPoint: But yeah, it’s like, it is kind of crazy. It’s kind of like a, well it kind of sad at times. Like all of a sudden I go, it’s over. Like what are these guys do? I think a lot of them want to stay in ball and a lot of them maybe coach or getting into the personnel. Right. A lot of our pro scouts, we have formed like a, Andre Gerad was a starting center for us. Josh Brent who played D Line, Miles Austin worked in our scouting department. Mark Colombo’s now are online coach. So a lot of those guys that we like and they want to be involved. Like with Jerry especially, we’ll give him a chance to, you know, keep their career going.

Marshall Morris: You know, because they come into, whether it be the fame or the money or the, the relationship with, but just being in the NFL so quickly. And then for some of them, you know, an injury is all it takes to sideline them right here.

Mitch LaPoint: I mean average three year career.

Marshall Morris: And so how do you, how do you prepare for that? Do you say that you do the physicals but to a certain extent you can’t prepare for, for a lot of what’s going to happen, you know, in a position to practice or games. So. So do you, do you plan for that in terms of like, hey, this is a longer term player or maybe this is a shorter term.

Mitch LaPoint: Yeah, they did. So yeah. Oh definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And we definitely have like emergency lists we have like, so and especially in training camp, I went to start our guys started going down. We basically have a list or we can start, okay, who would we call him first? Right. But like you said, uh, we’ll have guys that we have more short term type of expectations and sure as it, hey, these guys are building block foundation, you know?

Marshall Morris: You’ve gone and seen games, you’ve been in arrowhead, you’ve, you know, seen games in a lot of different places. What’s special about the Dallas experience and going and seeing a game in Dallas?

Mitch LaPoint: Uh, you know, the size of the stadium and then just the amenities. I mean, it’s insane. Yeah. I would say it’s not as much of a blue collar college crowd is like Arrowhead because it’s just an in the money. I mean, the money is just, it’s insane know. But as far as the amenities and the concourses and just the beauty of that place, it’s ridiculous. Sure.

Marshall Morris: I want to go a, I want to go around here and maybe a ask the last couple of questions here. Uh, for Mitch. Um, I’ll ask a question and then I’ll tee it up for you, Eric to ask a question. But, um, if you were, if you were giving advice to yourself when you’re getting into scouting, okay. You know, 21 years ago you’re, you’re getting going, what advice would you give your younger self as you were getting going?

Mitch LaPoint: Uh, I would say learn the game more equity. I think that’s, I think at Kansas City, I don’t think I was forced to learn more about the x’s and o’s of when I got to Dallas. And like, that’s one thing that my boss now, he’s great with us is just trying to keep best developing as I’ve never have as a coach, you know, but I could just keep developing as far as my knowledge cause it just makes it easier to evaluate if you’re an understanding what they’re doing. I wish I would’ve taken it more serious when I was younger to really dive in instead of just doing what I have to do. But if you had work ethic and all that, like I felt like I’d never want to let anybody down. And then that’s the way I’ve always been. I’ve never taken my foot off the gas my entire career. Um, and I’m never going to change that way, but I wish I would have, someone would have sat me down early at early age saying, Hey, learn, learn the game like now. And it was probably, I wished I would’ve done that.

Eric Marshall: This guy’s memory is unbelievable. Really? Yeah. Like, I mean, we’re talking with some guys the other day. It was mentioned some tea you player from like eight years ago. It’s like, oh yeah, I remember. He, I can’t remember exactly, but he had like x amount of receiving yards and it was this tall and I was like, fuck you remember that? It’s a, I can’t remember precisely, but I know it was this many yards and visit. It’s unbelievable. And I went on a, I went on a hunting trip recently and one of the guys was on the, uh, with the bank that I was with was a, was a played for Boise state. He was on the team that beat, Oh, you in the fiesta bowl. And I was like, I was like, you used to scout the, the, you know, the, the, the PAC 10 rides. It was like, did you ever do Boise state? And he was like, yeah. I was like, does this name some for me? It was like, yeah, hell yeah, I recruited that. All right. Or I scouted that guy and I was like, how about the fuck do you remember this? This was like 10 years ago

Mitch LaPoint: As a scout, a lot of the ice breaker that you have is to find out where the coach was or went to school or that time period. And I can go in my Rolodex and try to just find somebody that we have a common connection with. You know, how helpful that is. I’d be like, oh, Bob, whoever. I was in Kansas City when he played for us. Oh yeah, we were teammates, you know, or whatever. It’s, it’s, it’s such an icebreaker

Marshall Morris: You know, who else I’ve seen do that exceptionally well, this guy, Eric me because, well, I, I’ve, I’ve, you’ve, you’ve very personable in very, uh, you were telling the story the other day about, um, meeting Elliot Nelson is, you just went, were in there and then you were like, guys, we need to go like back, we have to go have a beer with this guy because he’s awesome. As you were getting, you know, the brewery started and you know, being able to connect and put together those pieces. But relationships, you know, beyond football, oh no. Building business

Eric Marshall: In general, just the human experience.

Mitch LaPoint: You see like young, I mean younger scouts like guys, you have hard time communicating. It’s tough man, because it’s like you’re walking into some of these schools and if you’re not going to like talk and like, I mean, they’re not, they’re not just going to pour, pour out all the goods on the players, you know?

Marshall Morris: Well, but players. Okay, so not that, not the people that you’re asking about, but the players, once you finally do get the opportunity to meet and talk with them, are you finding that there’s a very big disparity between players that have the ability to connect with somebody, a representative from the Dallas Cowboys and somebody who just has no couth, no respect? No. Do you see that?

Mitch LaPoint: Yeah, no doubt.

New Speaker: I see a lot.

Marshall Morris: Because I imagine that could be very, uh, you know, all striking, you know, all of a sudden, you know, I’m, I’m playing in a game that nobody was attending and now I’m talking to a scout from the Dallas Cowboys.

Mitch LaPoint: These agents too though, it’s a lot, there’s a lot of coaching that goes involved and you can pick it up real quick when everything they’re saying is trying to please you know, that you can, that’s part of us like being a psychologist, like, oh, this guy’s Eddie Haskell. You know what I mean? Like he’s telling me everything I want to hear and I know I went to the school, I know that he’s got some issues, you know.

Marshall Morris: Did you just pick that up as you went, the psychology aspect of it?

Mitch LaPoint: It takes time and just, I think it’s experience and wait, we have a, we have a good blend in our department, like we had a couple of guys in their sixties a couple in their 50s you know, few of us in the forties a couple third. I mean we’re, we’ve got some good experience in our, in our place.

Eric Marshall: I remember a couple of years ago watching, you’re talking about, you know, meeting and talking to these players and whatnot, watching this thing on ESPN where they were doing the draft and I think it was, it was Todd Gurley, maybe it was the Georgia pro day. And I’m sitting there watching. Then all of a sudden it flashes to Mitch, like, you know, just having a conversation with Todd Gurley and my daughter’s like, it’s Mister Mitch it’s Mister Mitch. And I was like, Oh shit. All right.

Mitch LaPoint: This is like, I don’t think we were able to get you. We just took Zeke. Right.

Marshall Morris: Any closing hot takes that you have for the upcoming season? Anything to look for?

Mitch LaPoint: It’s going to be interesting – I mean with our Dak, I think it’ll probably extend him soon. And Amari Cooper with Zeke and we’ve got a great O Line. I think we just keep, keep building good players. I don’t think we were only have like one need that, oh man, we got to go get what risks, what taking good players, man.

Eric Marshall: Get Demarcus Lawrence.

Mitch LaPoint: Our defense played their butt off this year and we’re playing fast. I mean, I think we’ll will be, I mean, we’re excited

Marshall Morris: For the fall, any underdog fantasy players that we need to take that we, that we have because that’s what, that’s what we’re all listening for. The, that’s what we’re all listening for.

Mitch LaPoint: No comment. No comment.

Eric Marshall: What a, all right, here’s, here’s my last question. All right, so you’ve been around a long time. Um, you know, people, people obviously that, that aren’t, you know, that see the NFL is the outside, just see these stars and all these players. Um, you get to know these people on a personal level. So who are some of the, like the bigger stars, the bigger people that you’re like, man, he is just a great dude.

Mitch LaPoint: Well, I mean I guess even back from like, I mean Sean Lee would be like the first one that pops into my head. Like, I mean even my, my brother lives out in LA. I try and we’re out training camp and Sean’s not practicing because we just kind of give them days off. But I mean he spent 20 minutes just talking to my brother. You know what I’m going to like just generally like great guy. And I think that’s one thing like in general, okay, the stories on pro football talk, ESPN are normally negative things that come up about the NFL. But for these guys to succeed to get to where they are, 95% of these guys are amazing people. They’re smart, they know how to like talk to people, they do things the right way. Um, I mean, I can go through it like, I mean, like Tony Gonzalez, Will Shields, Trent Green, Priest Holmes was the most amazing guy of all time, like the best.

Mitch LaPoint: Um, I would say even like Dez, Dez Bryant, I mean, he might’ve had like some off bad reputation, but you talk about a guy who is always in a good mood. A guy who was always say hello. Chester McGlockton, I don’t know if he, God rest his soul. I mean, this guy, I was a basically a scouting assistant and he overheard me telling someone and my car had broken down. He goes, “Mitch, come over to my house after practice. I got a car for you.” I go over to his house. He has a Jeep Wrangler. I mean, the thing has tires like five feet tall, take it as long as you need it until you get a car. But I mean, they didn’t have to do that, you know what I mean? And then he had a reputation because he was kind of up and down player as far as effort.

Mitch LaPoint: But, well, I mean the guy didn’t have to do that. And I’m a sloppy scouting assistant, you know.

Marshall Morris: I want to ask this question in the similar vein, you know, is, can you brag on somebody that you see day in, day out that is just working their ass off? Just like they just put in the, they have a work ethic that it just like,

Mitch LaPoint: I mean, honestly like what Jason Witten and I mean, he’s, he, he’s a fricking ridiculous, like, I mean more than anything, him coming back to our team is just showing guys like the right way to do things and he is all business. Like everything he does is competitive. It’s about work. It’s about getting better. I mean, it’s, it never stops everything.

Eric Marshall: And even I’ve heard your wife talk about how he’s just the nicest guy

Mitch LaPoint: Oh yeah, even like us, like if we, you know, six round pick and you know, Jason he’ll kind of just toy with us, “you bring that guy!” You know, and he’s just like, it’s all like business, but you know, it’s, but he’s being funny. But I mean he’s, he’s unbelievable with that. Well, I say Dak, Dak is the same way too.

Marshall Morris: I mean, these guys and they grind and their work pays off. They represent on the field and they represent for the Cowboys.

Mitch LaPoint: And then our O Line. I mean like Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, I mean those two guys. Uh, Travis Frederick, I mean, hopefully we’ll get him back. But that unit, LC, I mean, they work, I mean, they grind, they love ball, they love practice, you know,

Eric Marshall: and like they’re really good

Mitch LaPoint: And they’re good. But our coach, Coach Colombo, our new O Line Coach Mark, I mean, he was a, well, he played for us. We went to Miami and he came back and scouting and then was an assistant. I mean, Mark is Boston College. He’s, he’s uh, what’s the, what’s the movie with the like Dicaprio and uh, the,

Eric Marshall: The Departed.

Mitch LaPoint: Yeah, he’s totally like Boston, like Boston through the, he wants to just fight every, I mean, like these guys, he’s going to make these guys tough.

Eric Marshall: Awesome.

Mitch LaPoint: Yeah, it’s great.

Marshall Morris: Well, Mitch, I appreciate you coming by the the SnugStudio today here at the Taproom by Marshall Brewing Company

Mitch LaPoint: Thank you Marshall.

Marshall Morris: Again, Mitch LaPoint from the Dallas Cowboys, the National Scout. We’re looking forward to the Dallas Cowboys season this year.

Mitch LaPoint: No thanks man. This has been awesome. Thank you Marshall and Marshall Brewing Company – CHEERS!